on recent Marvel tv shows
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avreliaI have enjoyed “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.” I loved seeing the world after The Blip and the problems it faces. It even added the necessary perspective to WandaVision – the people in West View are the people in this post-Blip world, faced with the same problems – lost and found families, people who grieved for five years only to have their loved ones back, unchanged. Parents who reappeared and found their kids aged five years in a blink. Or are nowhere to be found since they have new families..
I loved watching Bucky and Sam struggling with their choices. Bucky having to come to terms with his past, surrounded by the reminders of his crimes, unwilling, but horrible. I liked Sam’s reluctance to pick up Captain America’s shield and the title and the associated visibility and scrutiny. I loved Sam’s family.
But a month has passed and I realize that nothing much of that series in left in me. Where WandaVision cut deep and stayed there, in the wound.
The quiet despair is so much more effective.
I made a Joke on Tumblr about new sitcom “These Wacky Sokovians”, featuring Wanda and Zemo. And I keep thinking about it – not the sitcom, but generally how the meeting between them would go. I mean, Zemo would definitely blame Wanda for the Ultron and her role in Sokovia’s fate, but I think Wanda has a lot of grievances against baron Zemo as well. I mean – how it all started? Why Stark weapons were there in the first place? Sokovia for Zemo was a different place than for Wanda. He was royalty, he was in the military, he was fine. Was he one fighting for political control with the little help of US weapons? Seems likely to me.
https://avrelia.tumblr.com/post/653352447595692032/i-am-still-thinking-about-it-not-maximoff-zemo
There is a fascinating article in Rolling Stone about WandaVision. Lots of delicious tidbits about creative process and behind the scenes stuff and what future brings for Wanda Maximoff. (spoilers for WandaVision)
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/oral-history-wandavision-olsen-bettany-hahn-feige-1155120/
my favorite quotes:
Schaeffer: [] We knew it was going to be resolved with a logic battle, and we put a pin in that. And then as we moved on, it was like, “Anyone have any ideas about what the heck this logic battle could be? How the hell do you write for an omniscient synthezoid?” It was Meghan McDonnell, who is the writer on Captain Marvel 2 [since announced as The Marvels], who stumbled upon this Ship of Theseus thing. And then Matt came up with the idea of putting it in the library, a palace of knowledge, which was genius, and having them spin and having the papers flutter. I was always afraid it would be the thing that would be kicked to the curb, but I do think it’s a lovely moment of rest and thought inside of the finale.
Bettany: My favorite meme so far has been “what is the Ship of Theseus, besides the Ship of Theseus persevering?“
Schaeffer: []I did want it to feel hopeful, because as a fan I want to have my heart wrenched, but I don’t want to be dropped into the pit of an abyss.[]
Feige: Some people might say, “It would’ve been so cool to see Dr. Strange,” but it would have taken away from Wanda, which is what we didn’t want to do. We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie, or, “Here’s the white guy, ‘let me show you how power works.'” That wasn’t what we wanted to say.
So that meant we had to reconceive how they meet in that movie. And now we have a better ending on WandaVision than we initially thought of, and a better storyline in Dr. Strange. And that’s usually how it works, which is to lay the chess pieces the way you want them to go in a general fashion, but always be willing and open to shifting them around to better serve each individual one.
Olsen: What we filmed was that she had to get away before the people who would hold her accountable got there. And where she went is a place that no one could find her. I know that for sure. Because she knows that she is going to be held accountable, I think, and I think she has a tremendous amount of guilt, and a new amount of loss.
Oh, and of course, the first episode of Loki is a lot of fun, just as we all expected. Nothing much to say about it yet, except that I am in love with the crazy retro-futuristic, kind of reminding of Soviet Science Fiction, grand and weirdly optimistic aesthetic of the TVA
I loved watching Bucky and Sam struggling with their choices. Bucky having to come to terms with his past, surrounded by the reminders of his crimes, unwilling, but horrible. I liked Sam’s reluctance to pick up Captain America’s shield and the title and the associated visibility and scrutiny. I loved Sam’s family.
But a month has passed and I realize that nothing much of that series in left in me. Where WandaVision cut deep and stayed there, in the wound.
The quiet despair is so much more effective.
I made a Joke on Tumblr about new sitcom “These Wacky Sokovians”, featuring Wanda and Zemo. And I keep thinking about it – not the sitcom, but generally how the meeting between them would go. I mean, Zemo would definitely blame Wanda for the Ultron and her role in Sokovia’s fate, but I think Wanda has a lot of grievances against baron Zemo as well. I mean – how it all started? Why Stark weapons were there in the first place? Sokovia for Zemo was a different place than for Wanda. He was royalty, he was in the military, he was fine. Was he one fighting for political control with the little help of US weapons? Seems likely to me.
https://avrelia.tumblr.com/post/653352447595692032/i-am-still-thinking-about-it-not-maximoff-zemo
There is a fascinating article in Rolling Stone about WandaVision. Lots of delicious tidbits about creative process and behind the scenes stuff and what future brings for Wanda Maximoff. (spoilers for WandaVision)
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/oral-history-wandavision-olsen-bettany-hahn-feige-1155120/
my favorite quotes:
Schaeffer: [] We knew it was going to be resolved with a logic battle, and we put a pin in that. And then as we moved on, it was like, “Anyone have any ideas about what the heck this logic battle could be? How the hell do you write for an omniscient synthezoid?” It was Meghan McDonnell, who is the writer on Captain Marvel 2 [since announced as The Marvels], who stumbled upon this Ship of Theseus thing. And then Matt came up with the idea of putting it in the library, a palace of knowledge, which was genius, and having them spin and having the papers flutter. I was always afraid it would be the thing that would be kicked to the curb, but I do think it’s a lovely moment of rest and thought inside of the finale.
Bettany: My favorite meme so far has been “what is the Ship of Theseus, besides the Ship of Theseus persevering?“
Schaeffer: []I did want it to feel hopeful, because as a fan I want to have my heart wrenched, but I don’t want to be dropped into the pit of an abyss.[]
Feige: Some people might say, “It would’ve been so cool to see Dr. Strange,” but it would have taken away from Wanda, which is what we didn’t want to do. We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie, or, “Here’s the white guy, ‘let me show you how power works.'” That wasn’t what we wanted to say.
So that meant we had to reconceive how they meet in that movie. And now we have a better ending on WandaVision than we initially thought of, and a better storyline in Dr. Strange. And that’s usually how it works, which is to lay the chess pieces the way you want them to go in a general fashion, but always be willing and open to shifting them around to better serve each individual one.
Olsen: What we filmed was that she had to get away before the people who would hold her accountable got there. And where she went is a place that no one could find her. I know that for sure. Because she knows that she is going to be held accountable, I think, and I think she has a tremendous amount of guilt, and a new amount of loss.
Oh, and of course, the first episode of Loki is a lot of fun, just as we all expected. Nothing much to say about it yet, except that I am in love with the crazy retro-futuristic, kind of reminding of Soviet Science Fiction, grand and weirdly optimistic aesthetic of the TVA
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